tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2525846056059243578.post9115352220333730946..comments2023-11-02T07:30:51.688-04:00Comments on Florida Kossacks: Let's All Take a Deep Breathgatordemhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11314331717750462478noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2525846056059243578.post-75009544861114592472007-08-31T16:52:00.000-04:002007-08-31T16:52:00.000-04:00How will the "presumptive nominee" be chosen? Not ...How will the "presumptive nominee" be chosen? Not by me if the DNC has their say. So it makes no difference to me if the "presumptive nominee" seats the delegates after the fact. It still makes my vote meaningless.<BR/><BR/>I agree with everything <B>PBCliberal</B> and <B>Edna</B> said and share their anger.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09358468063831186184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2525846056059243578.post-34994406911917483462007-08-29T15:52:00.000-04:002007-08-29T15:52:00.000-04:00While I see your points and appreciate the reminde...While I see your points and appreciate the reminder to take a deep breath right about now (thanks, I actually needed that--seriously!), I have to say that I am still extremely...EXTREMELY upset about this. How tone deaf and clueless can the DNC be to, if nothing else--and there is so much else, but if nothing else--how this would affect Florida democratic voters emotionally? It isn't bad enough that we were traumatized by the 2000 election and a Bush-cronie-laden Republican apparatus that saw to it that the rule of law was subverted and our votes were not counted, but now our OWN PARTY wants to put us through some kind of post-traumatic stress flashback by taking away our vote AGAIN, this time in a presidential primary? It is incredible how they found the one way they could kick us in the gut and knock the wind out of us when we were just so energized, psyched and ready for the 2008 election. We were all set to vote, vote, vote and then vote some more! Early and often, as the saying goes. And I pray that FL Democrats still will go to the polls on 1/29/07 because not only will how we vote in the presidential primary still matter, delegates or no delegates, but there is another profoundly important issue on that 1/29 ballot regarding a constitutional amendment on property taxes that needs to be DEFEATED, and if Democrats stay home en masse I'm terrified that this idiotic amendment will pass.<BR/><BR/>To sum up, I appreciate your putting this into perspective but in the end, I for one lifelong, loyal, passionate Democrat am still extremely upset by this and it is unimaginable to me that my own party could be this insensitive to how Florida Democrats FEEL (nevermind how objectively idiotic it is that the DNC took away our delegates, but I'm talking about the emotional impact here) after what we went through in 2000. It isn't exactly a good party-building, energizing and/or unifying strategy to say "I know what let's do! Let's strip Florida Democrats' votes of having any clout via delegates at the Convention! Yeah, that will really take our huge, diverse, energized base of Florida Democrats and inspire them to go to the polls!"<BR/><BR/>Unreal!Peppermint Twisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05832689488253821020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2525846056059243578.post-10705839003123638602007-08-28T17:57:00.000-04:002007-08-28T17:57:00.000-04:00I'm still mad as hell about this. I've been watchi...I'm still mad as hell about this. I've been watching it from the beginning, but I never got the memo that it was "expected." I thought <I>my party</I> (and its my party only because its the farthest party to the left that might actually win) was moving in the right direction under Dean who had some understanding of the netroots movement and how the net can change politics with its immediacy and ability to focus attention on complex issues.<BR/><BR/>But the actions of <I>my party</I> are to take away my vote or at least any value to it by invalidating the delegates it elects. <BR/><BR/>Suggestions that we "take a deep breath" so that this whole shameful business can be trivialized only convinces me that <I>my party</I> is far more interested in conspiring with their Republican evil twins than it is including us in the political process. <BR/><BR/>What has me the maddest about this, is it is runs so completely counter to the stated goals of the party under Dean, who those of us on the progressive side fought hard for against the "old-boy" Democrats. If we were communicating by dispatch carried on horseback, this might be excusable, but the whole 50-state strategy and grassrootification of the party, coupled with the ability to immediately learn more about an issue from a local perspective than you care to know, makes this whole thing inexcusable.<BR/><BR/>If the DNC had spent any time actually trying to practice its 50-state-strategy, it would know that in Florida this is all about the right to vote and have the vote count. It is this very right that cost us the state and the national election in 2000, and has raised questions about every election in this state since.<BR/><BR/>The worst possible thing the DNC could do in terms of affecting our ability locally to effect our part of the 50-state-strategy, would be to put us in a catch-22 where our right to cast a meaningful vote is effaced. The choice we were given was to lose our delegates or lose our paper trail. Even in the days of horseback post, they should have known better.PBCliberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13339716433038272465noreply@blogger.com